Tuesday, February 14, 2017

It's been a long time, been a long time...

In the while since I haven't done much research, a lot has come online that we didn't have access to before.

Scanned originals of Parish records through (registers.nli.ie) have been available to scroll through for Ireland. And we have found more in the past 2 or 3 days than we have in years it feels like.

It can be quite taxing on the eyes though. Some priests had rather terrible handwriting and others the most beautiful!

We always had an inkling that there was another Nicholas and we finally found him! We also found confirmation of Philips mothers maiden name, so as listed below we have the Cotter clan as we know it so far (as at Feb, 2017):

Nicholas Cotter
m.
Margaret Crowley (b.1792 - d.14-May-1874)
Children
Patrick Cotter (b.20-Sept-1828) Drogheda
Philip Cotter (b. Approx 1833 d.29-May-1914) Hamilton, NSW
Nicholas Cotter (b.5-April-1835 Wexford
Margaret Cotter (b.25-June-1837) Wexford
Laurance Cotter (b.9-Sept-1839) Wexford
Annie Cotter (b.TBC m.12-July-1868 William Wilson Wales d. 6-Aug-1913) Randwick, NSW

The fangirl side of me loves the fact that I have an ancestor with the name 'Crowley', the King of Hell needs a right hand girl after all?

(Margaret Cotter baptism entry 1837, right hand page, 2nd entry from the top)

Saturday, September 8, 2012

To be 1893 or not to be 1893?

Since receiving a stack of family history from a distant cousin of mine, a little argument has surfaced about the identity of 2 people in a photo. My Mum claims it's my Great-Great Grandmother (Laura Elizabeth Cotter - Nee Clarke) and her husband (James Phillip Cotter). My parents are now convinced it is them, and as you may be noticing, I'm not convinced, in fact I'm so sure it's not them I'll bet my first born (you may have to wait a while, but I'll wager it none the less). James and Laura were married on the 19th of June 1893, so it was probably getting a little cool around that time of year being the beginning of winter for us.

Let me show you the photo and a reference shot for comparison.


We have the wedding photo in question and then a photo taken in 1898 with that we know is James, Laura and Gertie & David their first two children.

I'm convinced that the gentleman in the wedding photo is NOT James Cotter, my reasons are as follows:
- His eyes are too wide, the shape of his eye area is too sharp, James' eyes are soft in comparison.
- The collar of the gentleman in the wedding photo is rounded, not pointed.

I agree that he is from the family, but he isn't James.

Now, the lovely lady is NOT Laura Cotter.
- Her dress is clearly not an 1890's dress (the bodice is too pigeon fronted, the skirts are tiered, the sleeves no where near 'puffy' enough for the 1890's)
- Her hairstyle is typical of the 1900's

My Mum, the proud owner of 0 (zero) dresses, is convinced that a woman can have any wedding dress she likes. Yes, BUT no woman in the 1890's sets out to design and wear a dress some 20 years ahead of it's time. This is Sydney Australia we are talking about, not Paris France. High society and Royals dictate what we wear, Victoria Beckham and Kate Middleton to name the main (and very well dressed) offenders. Women were affected by fashion back then the same way we are now. I was given the example of my sister on her wedding day last year (2011) how most women these days have a strapless dress and my sister had a halter/strap combination and how that doesn't mean that Laura couldn't have had the dress she supposedly had in that photo. My mum is also trying to argue that because Laura was in a convent for a few years she wouldn't want anything 'hugging' to wear, I don't think that's true, she would have worn a corset regardless and not been living free as a bird under any sort of habit. Every woman wants/wanted to be the most gorgeous thing on her wedding day and I don't think fashion was dictated by a middle class leather working family in the heart of Sydney in 1893!

If I am wrong I'll eat my bonnet!

Thursday, November 3, 2011

On-line Resources

Sometimes it's hard to know where to start. As cliché as it sounds, start with what you know. Hopefully you know your details, and you probably know a fair deal about your parents, if you know the basics about your own grand-parents, good on you! And here's where it starts getting tricky. Most people are not so lucky to have their Great-Grandparents still alive, although these days with technology and medicine, it's more common. I was not so lucky. But I knew their names and that was enough. And thanks to my mum and other family members I already had a basic tree back to my Great-Great Grandparents.

What makes it tricky in my case is my mother is adopted. So a brick wall was hit for some time. But I'll get to that one day.

I personally started at my local library in the Births Indexes, starting with the name of my Great Great Grandfather, knowing his birth date and rough place of birth, I found his parents with the help of the local historians. Something no one in the family knew! And even as little as 5 years ago, not as much information was available on the internet.

But where to find more information about them? I'll give a listing and what you can find!

- You can do a blanket search here, or narrow it down in the digitised Newspaper section. We've hit gold here ourselves. You type in a name and more than likely it may just be a notice in the Births/Deaths/Marriages (BDM's) section, sometimes you might even get an article. You just never know! And some very interesting information can be gleaned from these simple notices too. And your ancestors didn't just advertise their local BDM's. We've had notices about their family back in Ireland. Where Irish records are hard to find and view, we found a date and location.

- I've linked directly to the indexes of the NSW BDM's. It's easier this way. States and countries may vary as to what they put online, but I'm happy to say that NSW is pretty good at their on-line indexes. To show you an example as to what you can find follow the below steps to find my Great Great Grandfather:

- Open the NSW BDM's link
- Under 'person you are searching for' type the last name Cotter and first name James.
- In the years to be searched, enter 1850 to 1870.
- Ensure 'Births' is selected and not 'Deaths'
- Click on 'Search Now'
- A handful of findings are displayed. But which one?

In our case we knew that our Great Great Grandfather was James Phillip Cotter. And as our ancestors are known to do, is to throw their own name into their children's names. So it was a fair bet his parents are Philip and Catherine.

Now if you want to know more information, rather than purchasing a rather pricey certificate, we have gone through a transcription agent. Also keep note of that 'Registration Number', you'll need that if you are going to use the following.

- For half the price you can get the same information! You can find out the full names of your persons parents, if they had any other children, where they were born, occupations. A gold mine! You'll need the Registration number from the BDM index to use this service as it's a unique identifier in the millions of records kept at the BDM.

- If you know your ancestors came from overseas, you can search shipping records. You can simply type in a surname and unless you are unlucky enough to be searching for a 'Smith', you can generally be assured of finding the right people. You can find sometimes that other family members might have come out first, scouts if you will, then invited or sponsored the rest of the family to travel. Sometimes they were assisted meaning they were helped with money, or unassisted, generally you had to be pretty well off to make it on your own. Or you might have been a convict, getting a free ride! You can order these records online, or you can visit them in person. Refer to your local State Archives. Sometime to note with shipping, NSW incorporated QLD until it became it's own state, so even if you know that your ancestors arrived in Moreton Bay, or Brisbane, keep an open mind that it might be listed as NSW.

- Provided by the Church of the Latter Day Saints, they are keen on their records! Don't go past having a little search here, obscure places in Ireland we've found the records lacking on this site, but the larger well know County's seem to be well represented, and naturally the American and English records are great.

- Then there is the well advertised Ancestry websites, with the American and English sites. Search the forums on these websites too, you'll find people just like and maybe find someone looking for the same information you are!

You can find a lot on-line without having to pay for it. But at some point you're going to have to pay for clarification and to make sure you are looking at the right person. You don't have to 'go back to your homeland' to find information. I've heard of one lady who went all the way to Ireland and found nothing and found more information in her local library.

This isn't all that is out there, this is just what I've found that has helped us tremendously.

And once you've got a little information under your belt, have a simple Google search. Search for Graveyard inscriptions, search for phone books, search for occupations. The mundane might be where you find gold.

Wednesday, November 2, 2011

Introduction


I don't know why it took me so long to start this, but as I found so little on the great big thing that is the internet, I thought it high time to put our little piece of it on-line. Granted, I won't be talking much about those presently alive, but as to those who can no longer speak for themselves, I say it's fair game.

A quick introduction about myself I suppose is in order. I am the eldest of four daughters of the southern house of Cotter in NSW, Australia. As this might suggest, we will one day be quitting the noble name of Cotter and taking on new names (as one of us already has) and I hopefully will do the same, with an even longer surname! But alas, I digress. I have had a keen mind for history and my own family history for many years. After finding so little about our family history to begin with and having come so far in what is only some 5 years, perhaps we might find more of our family far across the sea with this little blog. One can only hope.

Our Cotter ancestors started in Ireland. Which county precisely is yet to be discovered, but I'll try to cover a post per person and any photos available to me.

My mum and I have found some amazing things, letters, photo's, personal treasures, diaries, ledgers and jewellery.

I won't bore you too much now. But this is a start and stay tuned!